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blood all at once the colon is one of

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the most ignored organs in the human

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body the faster that waste is eliminated

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from the body the less time that way

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sits in our intestines spreading toxins

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you wanna know a secret I love ponies I

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couldn't stay stable without poor mr.

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Brooks why fade to black because you

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this is fade to black

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radio network and K GRA the global radio

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all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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your host of you church gremlins our

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guest tonight Isaac Arthur discussing

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the Fermi paradox and there you go see

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Isaac right there that is an example of

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sometimes they don't want us to

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communicate it's a great example of why

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it is a good idea to keep you a more

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basic technology around like radio if

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you got all the more advanced stuff

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totally 100% keep the analog version

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whatever it is that you are doing still

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you know everybody wants the USB hookup

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in their car now right you can barely

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buy a radio in the car I that's a bad

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idea

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I really had options not subtract yeah

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you know when when when we were all

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growing up you remember the stereo

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stores at the mall right and and you

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would have these ginormous speakers and

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you know your cassette deck and your

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equalizer and your have nobody has

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radios in their house anymore I still I

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got a few but we lose the power where

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I'm at pretty regularly so it pays to

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have a radio with batteries I don't I I

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don't think we have one over oh you know

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what I've got an emergency radio in my

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bug-out kit right with the crank up yeah

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that that I do have those yeah well your

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batteries lying around but it's nice to

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have something you can actually hand

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crank so low is handy but not at night

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time so yeah I've got all of that I've

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got I've got lanterns that you crank up

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that actually have USB chargers on them

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I do I really do I've got I've got a

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survival kit the more these kind of

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things you have on hand if nothing else

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they give you a lot of peace of mind and

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if you in some kind of civilization that

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where you've got a lot of prosperity you

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can do a lot of preparing walk you know

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against catastrophes if for no better

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reason that peace of mind so tends to be

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one of those reasons why I think they'd

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have a lot of your wood stuff lying

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let's uh let's continue here and now

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that we're obviously gonna go into some

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overtime tonight so we can get the rest

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of this in I want to complete these

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thoughts and one of okay so the question

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is where is ET right where are they and

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when you come to this next answer again

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it gets deliberately what's the word I

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want to say complex because maybe just

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maybe earth is not contacted that they

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are not they are avoiding us when we get

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to those ones and this is kind of a zoo

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hypothesis well in this case this

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wouldn't be a zoo hypothesis assumes

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they're not really avoiding us they're

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watching us the version where they avoid

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us will be sometimes called the

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quarantine option is where for some

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reason they want to stay away from us

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and usually specifically ortho I might

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just be any primitive civilization I

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can't think of anything that earth would

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have going for it that they'd want to

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specifically avoid there often we'll see

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the films I say well humans are so

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aggressive and hostile I say well maybe

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these aliens are a lot more peaceful but

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they probably came up the ladder the

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same way we did and you know the

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evolutions are four billion year deep

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corpse pile he tend to be aggressive to

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survives right right I can't think of

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any reason why they would want to avoid

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us out of feel for themselves so that

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one has the problem that it doesn't

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really fit well this is different

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let's scratch that off the list then but

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what would the other reasons be for not

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they may not be negative reasons mm-hmm

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they don't necessarily negative reasons

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I mean their fear that they're going to

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contaminate all quarters and therefore

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so that is an option to where it might

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be more widespread that alien

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civilizations don't want to go to war

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with each other they're not hostile but

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they always leave big buffer zones and

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don't communicate much because they've

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found that you know no matter how you

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they've got cultural differences that

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they just can't get along with you're

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close to each other we often say that

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begin to know people we we loaned on

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stand them often we don't understand

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them we still don't get along very well

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we have the example with a Babel Fish

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from Dulles Adams they says by having

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allowed everyone to speak each other's

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language it's caused more blood your

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wars than anything in history right if

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you've got an alien species that

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produces as fast as dogs or cats do it

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has littles they might have adopted very

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early on a control of population where

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they kill off 90 percent of their kids

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that aren't quite up to snuff and only

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keep the best 10% there was no way we

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were ever gonna really allow them we

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don't want to go to war with them but we

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don't want to touch them and we also

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don't want them and they don't want us

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poisoning new civilizations against them

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so there might be a kind of loose rule

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that you only expand out so far and you

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keep pretty quiet you're not hiding you

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just don't actively court conversations

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with those civilizations and that one's

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a viable lish for me paradox just

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because it means if people don't expand

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or talk much we might have missed them

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so far that one though still pretty iffy

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it requires a lot of assumptions about

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how these civilizations would look to us

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for you're looking for them and what

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about ok now this is the the church

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hypothesis on this one maybe we're

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boring maybe maybe there's more except

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they know about us they visited us

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they've checked us out but there are

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just cooler versions of earth to go to

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it's the Kansas of the Galant that's

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right I'm not trying to offend anybody

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in Kansas but Vegas is a lot more

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exciting right and so maybe they want to

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go to Planet Vegas and that makes so

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much sense except for one problem they

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get millions of visitors to Kansas every

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year you find your boy in place and

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someone's gonna come by and visit you

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know even if just to be like why does

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nobody visit this place I need to go

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write up an article on this or there'll

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be someone saying hey this place gets no

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tourism it's a live target

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I'll go they all talk to them and get

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their tourist industry boom you know

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make a billion you know Sun tallien

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bucks by getting us tourism industry

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going

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you know someone's gonna come by to

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visit for some reason it doesn't matter

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how boy the place is they're gonna have

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stopped by well and I yes you see you

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lay it out pretty pretty well but I just

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disagree with that and the only reason

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why I disagree with it it comes down to

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math that I know that there has to be

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it's simple math there has to be

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millions if not billions of versions of

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Earth out there in this galaxy right

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water everything plants nice beaches

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great place to hang out but then there

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are billions of versions of Earth out

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there that are fun a little bit bigger

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the temperatures are a little bit better

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there's less earthquakes and there's

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things and the great casinos and and the

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food is just a little bit better you

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know I'm just saying that maybe that is

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the case where we are just we're just

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boring there is no action here yeah that

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is a real possibility for why we

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wouldn't get much traffic but it doesn't

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you know the bigger the population the

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galaxy gets and we start talking about

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galactic empires we're talking about

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billions upon billions of potential

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wards and habitats they might have built

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with billions upon billions upon

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billions of people mm-hmm there's just

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however boy north is there's gonna be a

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few people who think it's the coolest

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place ever

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right even if just cuz it's so boy and

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they want to be able to tell their

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friends how exciting this place nobody

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else went to was and someone's gonna

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find it cool if there's one thing the

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Internet has taught us is that no matter

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how boying the hobby would seem to be

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there are a lot of people who think it

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is the coolest thing ever that's right

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that is well you know that's why the

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cool thing is about nowadays you can

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find those 200 people on the planet who

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share your obsession with collecting

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19th century pennies and if Earth is a

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19th century penny that nobody else

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cares about there's still gonna be those

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billions of people out there on that

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Empire who think it's cool and so how do

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we how do we answer that when we think

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about the amount of and we're gonna take

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a break in in in just a minute here

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Isaac

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all of those civilizations that are out

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there in in the Milky Way that coming

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here is easy and we have only been here

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technically in an electrical sense for

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about a hundred years that they could

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have been here a hundred thousand years

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ago which is a blip of time a million

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years ago ten thousand years ago where

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there was no video cameras or

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photographs or a way to document any of

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this and they've simply moved on they

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know that earth is here and they may not

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be back fundamentally that one comes up

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the issue is you know Kansas is pretty

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well documented too but people still

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keep coming there every year not feeling

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bad for the folks in Kansas but it's

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probably alright that is about the

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boiling places to live

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say saying about Ohio we still get tons

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of loss I live in a tourist trap you

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know we get people visiting every summer

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by a thousand and I think it's boy

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that's why I like the place it's calm

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it's peaceful yet folks come by to visit

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for exactly that reason and so what you

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know how can you exhaust entire plants

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options we have changed

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they came here ten thousand years ago

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have we not had ten thousand years of

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history they might find interesting

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why would they not want to come back and

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see what's changed well I would say that

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they do right they do but that's the

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that's the best part of having this type

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of conversation tonight to give

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everybody something to think about

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on both sides of the fence and with that

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let's take our scheduled break right now

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our guest tonight is Isaac Arthur and

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when we come back we're discussing the

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Fermi paradox and when we come back

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we've got to jump into Stephen Hawking

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we're gonna get to the rest of the

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answers but I'm saving the best for last

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when we come back after this short break

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stay with us

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welcome back paid to black I am your

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host Jimmy Church our guest tonight

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Isaac Arthur we're discussing the Fermi

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paradox saving the best for last

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and Isaac oh oh really quick Isaac my

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twitter is at J Church radio what is

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yours let me double check I think it's

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Isaac Isaac underscore a underscore thil

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there you go

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you always do that underscore and dots

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but I get it I get it - its it's Isaac

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underscore a underscore Arthur yeah okay

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now with I want to know how much you

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researched or read into you know guys

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like Stephen Hawking and and Carl Sagan

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in the past where I've always felt that

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Carl Sagan did a pretty good flip-flop

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on us where they came to UFOs and alien

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civilizations and the same thing with

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Stephen Hawking where I think he was

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very adventurous for for a period there

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and then went one pretty dark with alien

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contact and then turned around and

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wanted to fly no stuff to Alpha Centauri

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I think he gets a little bit of an

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unfair reputation about that towards the

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end he was often making comments and the

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media of us out anytime he'd say

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anything it was it was big news after he

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was just quoting something that was

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established science for a century or

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more you know he was a great speaker and

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teacher for the field but often he would

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say material that was you know classic

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poets the field and people say oh my god

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Hawking said this his suggestion that I

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think people forward to there is that we

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don't want to talk to aliens because if

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you go make a noise in the woods a

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predator might come and eat you and

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that's not his idea that's that's a very

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classic and so on that's the concept of

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Medi which is you know active SETI the

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idea that you don't try to listen you

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get out there and speak and someone

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who's gonna point out if you're out

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there all yelling really loudly someone

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might hear you and you might not want

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them to come by and let you know that

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they are there so I think he point that

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out very fairly a lot

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what do I do not worry much about active

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City though because the alien

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civilization shows up right now decide

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to invade us or hoard us that wants to

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do this that has space traveler that

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can't hear us it's not gonna be a

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contest they'd wipe us out so there's no

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point even worried about something like

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that we cannot hide from them that they

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want us dead they're gonna guess dead so

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it's a legitimate concern but there's

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nothing we can do about it it's like

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worried about an asteroid hitting your

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civilization if you live in ancient Rome

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you can't build a rock and to go blow

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that thing up so there's not much point

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worrying about it and I think that he

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wasn't really saying that this is

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something that we need to be worried

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about though he might have but I don't

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want to put words in his mouth I think

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he was just pointing out of that is one

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of those concerns we had to have about

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SETI is so is it dangerous to attempt

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communication no because and this is

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what it comes down to is they don't need

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to hear all radio signals if you have

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spaceflight and you've been around for a

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long time you already know about every

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plan out there that has life on it

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because you want waiting for radio

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signals she was sending out active

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probes to go look for stuff and you were

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building gigantic telescopes that can

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pick up signs of life on plants when

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there's just oxygen the atmosphere will

541
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be doing that inside of 20 years they've

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been doing that for millions videos and

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they saw us you know very early on so

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they're not gonna be hunting for radio

545
00:24:51,889 --> 00:24:49,739
signals if they want to go wipe out our

546
00:24:53,690 --> 00:24:51,899
life they're going to wipe out all life

547
00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:53,700
so there are so many ways you can do

548
00:24:57,739 --> 00:24:54,809
that without even leaving your home

549
00:24:59,719 --> 00:24:57,749
solar system and poor Gentile galaxy of

550
00:25:04,329 --> 00:24:59,729
people who do not have technology equal

551
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:04,339
to Y alone when we go back and look at

552
00:25:09,619 --> 00:25:07,200
it's not the same kind of party today

553
00:25:13,089 --> 00:25:09,629
but when Tesla was building those

554
00:25:18,229 --> 00:25:13,099
ginormous radio towers right and and and

555
00:25:20,869 --> 00:25:18,239
Marconi and there were 100,000 watt you

556
00:25:23,930 --> 00:25:20,879
know blowtorch radio stations all over

557
00:25:26,450 --> 00:25:23,940
this planet how much of the cat was let

558
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:26,460
out of the bag as far as visibility goes

559
00:25:33,109 --> 00:25:31,289
from you know 1890 until 1950 more than

560
00:25:34,909 --> 00:25:33,119
now because we're a lot quieter with our

561
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:34,919
signals were more efficient but less

562
00:25:39,319 --> 00:25:37,200
than was necessary to see us cuz I mean

563
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:39,329
you're doing a flyby of this planet

564
00:25:42,830 --> 00:25:40,890
2,000 years ago you

565
00:25:44,150 --> 00:25:42,840
the pyramids stick now like sore thumbs

566
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:44,160
seemed like right over when the Great

567
00:25:46,340 --> 00:25:45,570
Wall got built but that's been around

568
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:46,350
for quite some time

569
00:25:51,890 --> 00:25:48,930
mm-hmm and even before that you look

570
00:25:53,270 --> 00:25:51,900
back say uh uh half a mil years ago

571
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:53,280
yeah and wonder what all those little

572
00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:54,810
files are doing on the force and you're

573
00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:56,370
gonna pick those up on night scopes

574
00:26:00,410 --> 00:25:58,650
pretty easy and then you go back before

575
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,420
that you're looking for places where

576
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:02,880
life might develop the big blue planets

577
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:06,960
a pretty big giveaway so I don't see the

578
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:09,090
video as being a risk to us because as

579
00:26:14,510 --> 00:26:11,250
loud as those supers all they're not

580
00:26:16,610 --> 00:26:14,520
nearly as loud as the wasn't I guess 200

581
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:16,620
quadrillion watts of power being given

582
00:26:21,230 --> 00:26:18,330
off by this planet reflected from the

583
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:21,240
Sun well what about the concept that was

584
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:24,210
presented by Carl Sagan in his book

585
00:26:28,550 --> 00:26:27,600
contact and in the movie I'm trying to

586
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:28,560
member what the differences were between

587
00:26:32,060 --> 00:26:30,570
their so they might want to contact us

588
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,070
using the Planck scale is always

589
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:34,320
thinking I remember from that but it's

590
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:36,330
been so long so I saw that movie well

591
00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:39,930
they took our television signals and oh

592
00:26:45,470 --> 00:26:43,080
that's right right and then and and sent

593
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:45,480
them back to us with a scramble in the

594
00:26:51,470 --> 00:26:48,930
in the carrier signal that biggest

595
00:26:53,390 --> 00:26:51,480
concern there is is that the the core

596
00:26:54,530 --> 00:26:53,400
idea is they didn't have to wait to then

597
00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:54,540
they might have waited then to make

598
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:56,310
contact with us but that wouldn't have

599
00:27:00,110 --> 00:26:58,080
been new to them if they can reach out

600
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:00,120
to us physically like that send probes

601
00:27:02,750 --> 00:27:02,010
you know then then they knew about us

602
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:02,760
forehand

603
00:27:06,530 --> 00:27:04,530
why would you not go and investigate

604
00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:06,540
every planet in your Galaxy even if you

605
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:08,310
didn't want to live on them there has to

606
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:10,080
be some motivations while you're getting

607
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:12,330
out into space and if you find other

608
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:14,610
planets boy and B inhabit or not you're

609
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:15,810
not understand settling them you not

610
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:17,730
understanding exploiting them then

611
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:19,410
you're not gonna be listening for radio

612
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:20,960
signals either because you don't K oh

613
00:27:24,980 --> 00:27:24,090
well and so let's break this down really

614
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:24,990
quick

615
00:27:33,020 --> 00:27:27,570
before we get to the the last question

616
00:27:36,050 --> 00:27:33,030
how fast is a radio signal how fast is

617
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:36,060
it 300 million kilometres a second so I

618
00:27:42,410 --> 00:27:38,850
300 million meters per second very quick

619
00:27:46,130 --> 00:27:42,420
compared to light speed same speed it's

620
00:27:48,350 --> 00:27:46,140
is it the same speed radio signals are

621
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:48,360
the exact same speed as any other

622
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:50,130
infrared radiation in the vacuum they

623
00:27:53,180 --> 00:27:51,450
don't all move to quite the same speed

624
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:53,190
inside my atmosphere or medium but it's

625
00:28:02,249 --> 00:27:53,919
pretty close

626
00:28:05,489 --> 00:28:02,259
simple math here and we just said okay

627
00:28:08,190 --> 00:28:05,499
let's go with 50 years right and then

628
00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:08,200
we're because I'm dealing with round

629
00:28:14,779 --> 00:28:11,289
numbers a hundred years we're at 2019 so

630
00:28:21,629 --> 00:28:14,789
the radio signals that were sent out in

631
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:21,639
1919 that went 50 light years away is

632
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:23,710
there will be out 200 by now but so be

633
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:25,210
fifty years away could have sent back to

634
00:28:29,729 --> 00:28:28,480
us by now that's what that's you see I

635
00:28:32,430 --> 00:28:29,739
like the way you think that's why I'm

636
00:28:35,820 --> 00:28:32,440
going with this so somebody 50 light

637
00:28:38,159 --> 00:28:35,830
years away has received the signals now

638
00:28:39,180 --> 00:28:38,169
they know where we are and now they're

639
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:39,190
headed this way

640
00:28:45,419 --> 00:28:43,330
wouldn't they be arriving about now they

641
00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:45,429
would be yeah now if they were waiting

642
00:28:48,899 --> 00:28:47,289
and they were just happy on a plant say

643
00:28:51,419 --> 00:28:48,909
you know 40 light years away they got

644
00:28:53,340 --> 00:28:51,429
all message 60 years ago and they still

645
00:28:54,330 --> 00:28:53,350
send a fleet our direction they might be

646
00:28:56,399 --> 00:28:54,340
getting here we don't know how fast

647
00:28:57,570 --> 00:28:56,409
those ships go it might be 10% of speed

648
00:28:59,129 --> 00:28:57,580
of light in which case we'll be a few

649
00:29:00,869 --> 00:28:59,139
centuries still right they could have

650
00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:00,879
got a signal back to us and they if they

651
00:29:03,869 --> 00:29:02,320
don't have ships can move fairly close

652
00:29:06,180 --> 00:29:03,879
to light speed they probably would send

653
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:06,190
a signal back forced if you move fairly

654
00:29:10,249 --> 00:29:07,690
close to light speed though you probably

655
00:29:13,529 --> 00:29:10,259
would go that way because you're getting

656
00:29:15,539 --> 00:29:13,539
signals sooner once you know and closer

657
00:29:17,310 --> 00:29:15,549
and closer that time it gives you much

658
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:17,320
more updated information so you might as

659
00:29:21,149 --> 00:29:19,450
well let your diplomatic team boil

660
00:29:23,070 --> 00:29:21,159
themselves down to the modern era when

661
00:29:25,289 --> 00:29:23,080
they arrive and do the talking for you

662
00:29:29,820 --> 00:29:25,299
without the risk of mistakes and that's

663
00:29:32,099 --> 00:29:29,830
exactly the point should we be concerned

664
00:29:34,379 --> 00:29:32,109
if you were the head of the United

665
00:29:37,109 --> 00:29:34,389
Nations would you have a delegation put

666
00:29:39,419 --> 00:29:37,119
together knowing that if we just went

667
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:39,429
with simple math that 50 light-years

668
00:29:45,629 --> 00:29:43,840
away those potential civilizations know

669
00:29:49,139 --> 00:29:45,639
where we are and would be arriving

670
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:49,149
shortly should we prepare something yes

671
00:29:53,369 --> 00:29:51,970
but not to talk to the aliens we want to

672
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:53,379
make sure we have a prepared mechanism

673
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:54,609
in place so they were not tripping over

674
00:29:57,989 --> 00:29:56,080
each other trying to figure out what to

675
00:29:59,460 --> 00:29:57,999
do if they do say hi and they're gonna

676
00:30:00,359 --> 00:29:59,470
know how to talk to us they came here

677
00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:00,369
they'll been listening to our radio

678
00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:01,929
signals and while they came in there

679
00:30:05,970 --> 00:30:03,369
I've had plenty time to pass them and

680
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,980
they've got a game plan in mind we most

681
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:07,600
need to make sure that we don't trip all

682
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:09,370
Chavo as various war leaders child

683
00:30:13,169 --> 00:30:10,809
beside who's supposed to be doing the

684
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:13,179
talking and you know which country gets

685
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,770
taught forest and what kind of team we

686
00:30:18,270 --> 00:30:16,240
should be using and what message which

687
00:30:20,430 --> 00:30:18,280
was said and that's where the issues

688
00:30:21,930 --> 00:30:20,440
come to play mostly making sure that we

689
00:30:23,340 --> 00:30:21,940
don't fall to pieces we don't really

690
00:30:24,990 --> 00:30:23,350
need to put much effort into how to talk

691
00:30:26,370 --> 00:30:25,000
to them though cuz they'll have solved

692
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:26,380
that issue they want to talk to us you

693
00:30:34,140 --> 00:30:30,640
know likelihood there is a lot of rumor

694
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:34,150
going around in our community the United

695
00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:39,210
Nations has appointed forget the the

696
00:30:44,220 --> 00:30:41,590
what they're called but there is there

697
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:44,230
is an interstellar ambassador in place

698
00:30:49,289 --> 00:30:46,330
right right do you think that they've

699
00:30:52,110 --> 00:30:49,299
got a game plan ready to go do you think

700
00:30:53,940 --> 00:30:52,120
that there is a an official portal

701
00:30:56,909 --> 00:30:53,950
called manual that's printed out and

702
00:30:57,330 --> 00:30:56,919
distributed just in case I wouldn't be

703
00:30:58,799 --> 00:30:57,340
spying

704
00:31:00,419 --> 00:30:58,809
to be honest I would kind of expect that

705
00:31:01,710 --> 00:31:00,429
to be public if there was one just

706
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:01,720
because it would be you know from their

707
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:03,130
perspective I think they'd mostly wind

708
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:05,530
you know get enthusiasm involved with

709
00:31:08,909 --> 00:31:06,970
the party that's like when they did the

710
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:08,919
when the CDC released that survive the

711
00:31:13,049 --> 00:31:11,770
zombie apocalypse manual yes I could

712
00:31:14,490 --> 00:31:13,059
easily see us doing something like that

713
00:31:16,169 --> 00:31:14,500
and I haven't be spies we already had

714
00:31:19,710 --> 00:31:16,179
and if not I'd certainly suggest it's

715
00:31:21,299 --> 00:31:19,720
good outreach but you know we we our

716
00:31:22,980 --> 00:31:21,309
contingency plan also I would assume

717
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:22,990
that most countries keep a file

718
00:31:26,220 --> 00:31:24,730
somewhere on how to invade everybody

719
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:26,230
including their best neighbors of the

720
00:31:29,580 --> 00:31:28,210
town next door their capital so I

721
00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:29,590
wouldn't be surprised if everybody had

722
00:31:33,330 --> 00:31:31,510
one of those lying around they might

723
00:31:35,220 --> 00:31:33,340
want to keep them secret or they might

724
00:31:36,419 --> 00:31:35,230
put them out there I ask you couldn't

725
00:31:38,820 --> 00:31:36,429
say on that it would to me would make

726
00:31:40,169 --> 00:31:38,830
sense to have such a manual I'm on The

727
00:31:42,029 --> 00:31:40,179
Skeptical in of things that still say

728
00:31:43,529 --> 00:31:42,039
have one you send spaceships out there I

729
00:31:45,510 --> 00:31:43,539
don't expect them to run anybody I just

730
00:31:47,820 --> 00:31:45,520
to include a manual what to do in case

731
00:31:49,169 --> 00:31:47,830
that happened even if I open up a reason

732
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:49,179
and they're not worried about themselves

733
00:31:52,289 --> 00:31:50,559
the time because they know they got a

734
00:31:56,159 --> 00:31:52,299
manual thinking crack open and read if

735
00:32:01,260 --> 00:31:56,169
that happens I asked a police officer

736
00:32:04,350 --> 00:32:01,270
LAPD guy this is two years ago and I

737
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:04,360
happened to I can't get into the details

738
00:32:08,460 --> 00:32:05,890
but I was hanging out with this guy for

739
00:32:12,930 --> 00:32:08,470
like two hours three hours and you know

740
00:32:15,630 --> 00:32:12,940
we're just talking and I said so UFO

741
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:15,640
lands he goes what like a flying saucer

742
00:32:20,030 --> 00:32:19,090
I said yeah right there on hon Sherman

743
00:32:22,970 --> 00:32:20,040
Way

744
00:32:25,670 --> 00:32:22,980
and you're driving down the road UFO

745
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:25,680
lands and starts blocking traffic what

746
00:32:32,270 --> 00:32:29,130
do you do yes I don't know and I said

747
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:32,280
well have you been trained a you know

748
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:33,930
has this ever been talked about he said

749
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:37,650
no I said okay what would you do

750
00:32:44,690 --> 00:32:41,010
he goes uh well I'd call it in but I

751
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:44,700
guess the National Guard you know that's

752
00:32:50,390 --> 00:32:47,450
I mean he was looking at me is so

753
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:50,400
perplexed now I don't know if he's ever

754
00:32:55,310 --> 00:32:52,890
thought about UFOs or ETS or whatever

755
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:55,320
but so maybe he's never thought about

756
00:33:00,500 --> 00:32:57,570
this he's never watched ancient aliens

757
00:33:04,220 --> 00:33:00,510
okay that's fine but as far as any

758
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,230
official protocol goes he swore to me up

759
00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:06,960
and down there is nothing on the books

760
00:33:11,180 --> 00:33:09,480
for it no I'm got one you know I I

761
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:11,190
assume we don't have one for my County

762
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:12,810
someone would have thrown at my way out

763
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:14,490
of Hume or less it was secret and nobody

764
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:17,970
gives it so if there is one it's either

765
00:33:23,030 --> 00:33:20,250
but again you know we presumed I said we

766
00:33:26,030 --> 00:33:23,040
probably have a detailed invasion plan

767
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:26,040
for Canada no one expects to use I'd

768
00:33:29,180 --> 00:33:27,570
imagine but it's it's probably lying

769
00:33:30,290 --> 00:33:29,190
around somewhere there's probably

770
00:33:31,910 --> 00:33:30,300
someone whose job it is to make sure

771
00:33:33,740 --> 00:33:31,920
it's up to date and we probably wouldn't

772
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:33,750
follow it properly effect she had

773
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:35,730
occasion to use it but you don't bother

774
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:37,290
to distribute that's all the division

775
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:39,510
command was because they got a million

776
00:33:42,650 --> 00:33:41,370
such contingency plans and the only

777
00:33:44,930 --> 00:33:42,660
Center the ones that they think I'll

778
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:44,940
very likely come up and if it becomes

779
00:33:47,630 --> 00:33:46,290
more likely it something like that it's

780
00:33:49,580 --> 00:33:47,640
gonna come up that's when you send on

781
00:33:51,050 --> 00:33:49,590
the play and start updating it you know

782
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:51,060
you can only prepare for contingencies

783
00:33:54,260 --> 00:33:52,650
to so much and a lot of the reason why

784
00:33:56,030 --> 00:33:54,270
you do some of weird all contingencies

785
00:33:59,210 --> 00:33:56,040
is to kind of yourself practice for

786
00:34:00,770 --> 00:33:59,220
thinking outside the box so I would be

787
00:34:03,490 --> 00:34:00,780
surprised if we didn't have them lying

788
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:03,500
around um I just have to dust them off

789
00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:06,240
yeah hopefully someone's doing more in

790
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:07,620
dust them off because even retreat is a

791
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:09,679
theoretical exercise there's were an

792
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:11,610
out-of-context problem we sometimes say

793
00:34:16,190 --> 00:34:13,649
well a Black Swan for something a little

794
00:34:17,869 --> 00:34:16,200
bit more of regular you know when the

795
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:17,879
ship was in the home were made out of

796
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:20,399
metal and your Neolithic civilization

797
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:22,050
that you don't have any way to respond

798
00:34:25,310 --> 00:34:24,090
to that and one of the ways you can

799
00:34:26,450 --> 00:34:25,320
prepare for things like that where you

800
00:34:28,070 --> 00:34:26,460
just never would have thought about it

801
00:34:30,169 --> 00:34:28,080
is to keep the mine flexible and do a

802
00:34:33,090 --> 00:34:30,179
lot of these contingencies because there

803
00:34:34,860 --> 00:34:33,100
will be aspects of that you can't handle

804
00:34:36,180 --> 00:34:34,870
you know goon people start playing out

805
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:36,190
into a riot because they're confused

806
00:34:40,169 --> 00:34:38,889
about what's going on right then you

807
00:34:42,780 --> 00:34:40,179
release do you know how to react to a

808
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,790
riot so you have these things around you

809
00:34:45,870 --> 00:34:44,320
know to keep your mind flexible and to

810
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:45,880
deal with those parts but you can deal

811
00:34:48,990 --> 00:34:47,679
with so I would actually go as well say

812
00:34:51,899 --> 00:34:49,000
so we didn't have a plan for that it'd

813
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:51,909
be kind of irresponsible on the other

814
00:34:54,570 --> 00:34:53,290
hand folks might be nervous about making

815
00:34:56,730 --> 00:34:54,580
something at that for fear they get

816
00:34:59,040 --> 00:34:56,740
ridiculed and things like that so never

817
00:35:02,400 --> 00:34:59,050
government you know but you bring it up

818
00:35:04,530 --> 00:35:02,410
the that whole zombie apocalypse thing

819
00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:04,540
you know we laughed about it but that

820
00:35:11,550 --> 00:35:08,710
was that was a real contingency that was

821
00:35:13,230 --> 00:35:11,560
written up and studied hmm now to be

822
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:13,240
fair was law the regular advice we tell

823
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:14,560
her I wanted to have for disaster and

824
00:35:17,730 --> 00:35:16,090
the same apply for a lot of you know

825
00:35:20,250 --> 00:35:17,740
almost any catastrophe might think about

826
00:35:21,810 --> 00:35:20,260
you there are certain basic pat Puteri

827
00:35:22,980 --> 00:35:21,820
measures you should be taken and if it

828
00:35:24,060 --> 00:35:22,990
if this is a way that we can teach

829
00:35:25,980 --> 00:35:24,070
people about it because they find it

830
00:35:27,870 --> 00:35:25,990
interesting or funny or they squad joke

831
00:35:29,490 --> 00:35:27,880
about it all the metal you know that

832
00:35:31,050 --> 00:35:29,500
gets them thinking about it then they're

833
00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:31,060
thinking about it and that means that

834
00:35:34,890 --> 00:35:32,950
they are covered when some kind of

835
00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:34,900
catastrophe happens cuz they deal with a

836
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:37,150
prank on their own and then let's go and

837
00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:38,320
cover down on it the folks who maybe

838
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:40,710
didn't do so much of it because each

839
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:42,910
cast we almost all that had the same

840
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:45,040
basic playbook a lot of variations

841
00:35:49,980 --> 00:35:47,170
balada core stuff is the same yeah

842
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:49,990
absolutely absolutely which takes us to

843
00:35:57,450 --> 00:35:54,640
our last answer the question is where is

844
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:57,460
et where is everybody

845
00:36:04,140 --> 00:36:00,160
and the answer is they are here

846
00:36:07,350 --> 00:36:04,150
unacknowledged that is you know we often

847
00:36:09,090 --> 00:36:07,360
say that that's the least popular and so

848
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:09,100
for a lot of folks in the scientific

849
00:36:14,610 --> 00:36:10,720
community but in fact it's probably the

850
00:36:16,770 --> 00:36:14,620
number two most favored to answer how

851
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:16,780
have the Fermi paradox and the Pony

852
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:20,170
paradox says one basic question if this

853
00:36:24,690 --> 00:36:22,090
universe is so big where we have so much

854
00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:24,700
life in it way all all the aliens and

855
00:36:28,350 --> 00:36:26,710
that force category we have the way

856
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:28,360
earth ones is not a good Fermi paradox

857
00:36:33,810 --> 00:36:31,450
solution because it says there's no

858
00:36:35,310 --> 00:36:33,820
paradox at all the universe is big but

859
00:36:36,930 --> 00:36:35,320
we shouldn't assume life is very common

860
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:36,940
from that right the other half of that

861
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:38,800
of course is where are all the aliens

862
00:36:42,660 --> 00:36:40,930
and so the answer is right here all

863
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:42,670
we're just not admitting that they also

864
00:36:45,870 --> 00:36:44,050
to ourselves or to the rest of

865
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:45,880
population then that's also not a for me

866
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:46,690
paradox and so

867
00:36:55,140 --> 00:36:49,450
because there's no paradox the questions

868
00:36:56,970 --> 00:36:55,150
wrong he says why are they here so it

869
00:36:58,740 --> 00:36:56,980
breaks the basic paradigm they're same

870
00:37:00,599 --> 00:36:58,750
as with the way or they are not really

871
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:00,609
fundamentally for me paradox solutions

872
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:03,130
because the Fermi paradox is assuming

873
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:06,010
life should be very common and we don't

874
00:37:09,540 --> 00:37:08,290
see it and that's a problem though we

875
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:09,550
need because at that point we can't

876
00:37:12,780 --> 00:37:11,050
disprove they're here or prove they're

877
00:37:14,130 --> 00:37:12,790
here based on what we have so far it's

878
00:37:18,329 --> 00:37:14,140
not conclusive enough to convince most

879
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:18,339
people and yet it it comes down to

880
00:37:22,620 --> 00:37:21,010
motives with any of these scenarios we

881
00:37:23,609 --> 00:37:22,630
can't say they can't hide from us

882
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:23,619
because they might have better

883
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:25,690
technology than us there are so many

884
00:37:29,339 --> 00:37:27,730
reasons why they might visit and for

885
00:37:30,839 --> 00:37:29,349
each one of those we have to say what is

886
00:37:32,609 --> 00:37:30,849
the motivation and how should they be

887
00:37:34,770 --> 00:37:32,619
behaving if that's what they're doing

888
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:34,780
based on what we see what is the

889
00:37:39,150 --> 00:37:37,210
motivation so even if that's the

890
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:39,160
solution the if it is good they all heal

891
00:37:42,089 --> 00:37:40,810
and which is now acknowledging them it

892
00:37:44,309 --> 00:37:42,099
still doesn't answer the question

893
00:37:47,130 --> 00:37:44,319
because the question really isn't all

894
00:37:47,460 --> 00:37:47,140
there aliens the question is what are

895
00:37:49,470 --> 00:37:47,470
they up to

896
00:37:51,059 --> 00:37:49,480
what's the civilization like you know I

897
00:37:53,130 --> 00:37:51,069
don't want to know that dolphins exist I

898
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:53,140
want to know about dolphins and so

899
00:37:57,809 --> 00:37:55,119
they're all aliens here visiting us in

900
00:37:59,550 --> 00:37:57,819
secret I want to know what they want you

901
00:38:00,930 --> 00:37:59,560
know what what motivates them what's

902
00:38:03,660 --> 00:38:00,940
their purpose what do they want to do

903
00:38:05,010 --> 00:38:03,670
and we can see a million saw one of them

904
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:05,020
could land right there in the middle of

905
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:07,210
LA like you suggested and that still

906
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:08,560
doesn't answer the question for us it's

907
00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:10,210
when they get out and they talk to us

908
00:38:15,089 --> 00:38:12,609
and they answer all questions that's

909
00:38:20,579 --> 00:38:15,099
when we get a solution do you think that

910
00:38:23,579 --> 00:38:20,589
we would actually be close to some of

911
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:23,589
our ideas or theories now or would we

912
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:26,560
just not have a clue why they were here

913
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:30,510
we would just be completely wrong oh I

914
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:33,010
would say my skepticism in that regard

915
00:38:36,030 --> 00:38:34,569
is to assume that we're always going to

916
00:38:37,770 --> 00:38:36,040
be completely wrong and all assumptions

917
00:38:39,780 --> 00:38:37,780
on things like this and every one of

918
00:38:42,210 --> 00:38:39,790
these things I would say I don't think

919
00:38:43,319 --> 00:38:42,220
either phony paradox answers is probably

920
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:43,329
gonna turn out to be right

921
00:38:48,809 --> 00:38:45,730
insofar as most of them it's the answer

922
00:38:50,190 --> 00:38:48,819
is why are they the least wrong when you

923
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:50,200
look at this there's got to be something

924
00:38:53,849 --> 00:38:52,089
wrong in all basic thinking even with

925
00:38:56,339 --> 00:38:53,859
the ultra biotechnology and auth

926
00:38:58,890 --> 00:38:56,349
hypothesis the flower there would have

927
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,900
to be our doll post geocentric view of

928
00:39:02,730 --> 00:39:00,400
the universe we spend century

929
00:39:05,370 --> 00:39:02,740
convincing ourselves that authors not

930
00:39:07,770 --> 00:39:05,380
unique and not very important and yet if

931
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:07,780
life is that rail that entire mindset

932
00:39:12,060 --> 00:39:10,510
that authors not all that special it's

933
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:12,070
just wrong and that's a flaw nor

934
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:14,320
thinking alternatively you know with

935
00:39:17,070 --> 00:39:16,000
each one of these there has to be some

936
00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:17,080
core flaw

937
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:18,910
you know our philosophy our post

938
00:39:23,850 --> 00:39:21,370
knowledge all in what we know about the

939
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:23,860
universe does fall and that's that's

940
00:39:27,180 --> 00:39:25,450
what's kind of cool about the phony

941
00:39:29,070 --> 00:39:27,190
paradox seeing today is we know the

942
00:39:31,410 --> 00:39:29,080
answer is could be something that

943
00:39:34,890 --> 00:39:31,420
requires us to change the way we look at

944
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:34,900
the universe in some major fashion does

945
00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:38,560
that scare you in that there's there's

946
00:39:44,210 --> 00:39:40,870
two things that really freaked me out

947
00:39:46,830 --> 00:39:44,220
one that there's no life after death

948
00:39:50,010 --> 00:39:46,840
that scares the crap out of me that you

949
00:39:52,290 --> 00:39:50,020
just die and turn into cosmic dust and

950
00:39:55,980 --> 00:39:52,300
you achieve your place in evolution and

951
00:39:57,720 --> 00:39:55,990
there's nothing else to it that scares

952
00:39:59,700 --> 00:39:57,730
the crap out of me and you know what

953
00:40:03,120 --> 00:39:59,710
else scares the crap out of me Isaac is

954
00:40:07,710 --> 00:40:03,130
that there are people out there that

955
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:07,720
think that we are it that there is no

956
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:09,610
other life in the universe and if that

957
00:40:15,420 --> 00:40:12,730
is the case if there's nothing to live

958
00:40:17,850 --> 00:40:15,430
for then why don't we just burn this

959
00:40:19,940 --> 00:40:17,860
planet down man why don't we just party

960
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:19,950
like it's 1999

961
00:40:24,750 --> 00:40:22,930
well if we were the only life in the

962
00:40:26,310 --> 00:40:24,760
universe and I mean I Ted think we'll

963
00:40:28,110 --> 00:40:26,320
probably it for the galaxies in terms of

964
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:28,120
technology but the universe a big place

965
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:31,170
you know galaxies a tiny tiny corner and

966
00:40:35,490 --> 00:40:33,280
but if we did to an out to be the only

967
00:40:36,990 --> 00:40:35,500
intelligent life that ever isn't so far

968
00:40:38,930 --> 00:40:37,000
and and not saying no was gonna come

969
00:40:42,060 --> 00:40:38,940
into play anywhere for billions of years

970
00:40:43,980 --> 00:40:42,070
then that means that you know we will

971
00:40:46,020 --> 00:40:43,990
voted aliens one day as we get out there

972
00:40:47,730 --> 00:40:46,030
and we make new buttons we just go to

973
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:47,740
war after world and settle them and they

974
00:40:53,370 --> 00:40:50,650
diverge and it would be such a tragedy

975
00:40:55,350 --> 00:40:53,380
if we were the only ones and we stayed

976
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:55,360
here and that's one of the reasons why I

977
00:40:58,830 --> 00:40:57,010
figure is somebody would have had to be

978
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:58,840
forced whether it's us or not somebody

979
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:00,160
was the forced on the scene and they

980
00:41:03,150 --> 00:41:02,110
local actor Cornell and they'd have to

981
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:03,160
be thinking the same stuff we're

982
00:41:08,490 --> 00:41:05,530
thinking right now and if that's the

983
00:41:10,980 --> 00:41:08,500
case what a shame would be if they said

984
00:41:12,450 --> 00:41:10,990
no we're gonna stay heal

985
00:41:13,799 --> 00:41:12,460
I can't see them doing that I have to

986
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:13,809
think that they would get out there and

987
00:41:18,809 --> 00:41:16,690
explore and expand and colonize it's

988
00:41:20,250 --> 00:41:18,819
because the universes is you know we

989
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:20,260
always talk about how interesting space

990
00:41:24,809 --> 00:41:23,050
is space is really boring when you're

991
00:41:26,670 --> 00:41:24,819
only looking at just the rocks and the

992
00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:26,680
stars Aniyah the science the astronomy

993
00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:27,910
is awesome but there's a lot of

994
00:41:31,950 --> 00:41:30,190
repetition the uniqueness the coolness

995
00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:31,960
is what life does

996
00:41:36,990 --> 00:41:33,849
I couldn't imagine leave you all these

997
00:41:38,609 --> 00:41:37,000
systems the galaxy Baylin I'd want to

998
00:41:39,870 --> 00:41:38,619
get out there and explore them and if I

999
00:41:44,849 --> 00:41:39,880
found they were empty I'd want to put

1000
00:41:48,329 --> 00:41:44,859
something there yeah I mean the the goal

1001
00:41:49,950 --> 00:41:48,339
should be I would think that the goal

1002
00:41:54,030 --> 00:41:49,960
should be right now we should be

1003
00:41:57,240 --> 00:41:54,040
building interstellar generational ships

1004
00:41:59,970 --> 00:41:57,250
right now that's we shouldn't be focused

1005
00:42:02,130 --> 00:41:59,980
on anything else but that and putting

1006
00:42:04,530 --> 00:42:02,140
you know three four or five thousand

1007
00:42:06,930 --> 00:42:04,540
people on them and shooting them off in

1008
00:42:10,890 --> 00:42:06,940
a direction whether it's Alpha Centauri

1009
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:10,900
right I don't care pick pick pick

1010
00:42:14,339 --> 00:42:12,910
something and just head out in that

1011
00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:14,349
direction and eventually you're gonna

1012
00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:17,049
get there but this planet here isn't

1013
00:42:19,859 --> 00:42:18,790
going to be around forever and our Sun

1014
00:42:22,260 --> 00:42:19,869
is not either

1015
00:42:23,940 --> 00:42:22,270
and that's what we should be planning on

1016
00:42:28,170 --> 00:42:23,950
is getting off this planet we should

1017
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:28,180
have a goal that unifies us all there is

1018
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:31,359
so much out there that we can do and you

1019
00:42:35,579 --> 00:42:34,089
know we somewhere along the line we

1020
00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:35,589
start off on this earth it's a small

1021
00:42:40,049 --> 00:42:38,230
tribe in one location and we spread out

1022
00:42:41,250 --> 00:42:40,059
even though we couldn't talk to each

1023
00:42:43,319 --> 00:42:41,260
other you know you can't maintain a

1024
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:43,329
civilization without faster night travel

1025
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:45,609
or big distances but you can set and

1026
00:42:49,859 --> 00:42:47,950
colonies out all those folks who set it

1027
00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:49,869
all across the planet back in the dawn

1028
00:42:53,549 --> 00:42:51,910
of time as a war they couldn't talk to

1029
00:42:55,230 --> 00:42:53,559
each other but they still spread out

1030
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:55,240
they still send their sons and daughters

1031
00:42:59,970 --> 00:42:58,210
off to new places and I can't see us not

1032
00:43:02,039 --> 00:42:59,980
doing that and it's so hard for me to

1033
00:43:03,780 --> 00:43:02,049
imagine any other species choosing to do

1034
00:43:06,780 --> 00:43:03,790
that sunlight but they can't be the

1035
00:43:08,490 --> 00:43:06,790
majority they can't be all of them so

1036
00:43:10,410 --> 00:43:08,500
somebody's got to be out there doing it

1037
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:10,420
and they're none this is where we always

1038
00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:11,710
come back to the possibility that we

1039
00:43:15,450 --> 00:43:14,049
might be really real I have to think it

1040
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:15,460
was because we just happen to be the

1041
00:43:19,620 --> 00:43:18,490
first on the scene but if we're not the

1042
00:43:22,049 --> 00:43:19,630
only thing that can make sense to me is

1043
00:43:23,099 --> 00:43:22,059
either in the long haul civilizations

1044
00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:23,109
just collapse out of

1045
00:43:28,170 --> 00:43:26,230
essential dread or they get out there in

1046
00:43:29,549 --> 00:43:28,180
colonized places and for some reason

1047
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:29,559
they just haven't talked to us yet and

1048
00:43:33,509 --> 00:43:31,210
there's so many reasons that could be

1049
00:43:36,029 --> 00:43:33,519
the case you may be they do follow the

1050
00:43:37,710 --> 00:43:36,039
prime directive maybe they we just see

1051
00:43:40,140 --> 00:43:37,720
the occasional accident where somebody

1052
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:40,150
gets exposed but they are trying to you

1053
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:41,710
know keep things fairly quiet so don't

1054
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:44,319
disrupt us too much I can't imagine they

1055
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:46,089
have not taken interest on us if they

1056
00:43:49,380 --> 00:43:47,920
all here you know if they all around the

1057
00:43:53,059 --> 00:43:49,390
area how could they not find us

1058
00:43:58,759 --> 00:43:53,069
interesting we would yes or no question

1059
00:44:03,329 --> 00:43:58,769
would you go to Mars one way trip no

1060
00:44:05,609 --> 00:44:03,339
just gave us the best case scenario of

1061
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:05,619
generational ships and colonizing but

1062
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:07,359
you won't sign up for Mars

1063
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:10,210
if nobody else would I certainly would

1064
00:44:13,769 --> 00:44:12,249
but my philosophy they said well this I

1065
00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:13,779
got most of my traveling done when I was

1066
00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:16,329
younger I like staying at a home right

1067
00:44:20,849 --> 00:44:18,609
now and my nice quiet little rule you

1068
00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:20,859
know Haven there are so many people who

1069
00:44:24,749 --> 00:44:22,569
would be lying up for the chance you

1070
00:44:26,489 --> 00:44:24,759
know if this planet was getting ready to

1071
00:44:28,349 --> 00:44:26,499
go and we had a hundred million people

1072
00:44:30,569 --> 00:44:28,359
that we could take off plan to some new

1073
00:44:32,460 --> 00:44:30,579
wall before the plant blew up I would

1074
00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:32,470
give my ticket away if I was lucky

1075
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:33,910
enough to win one because I'd rather

1076
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:35,529
stay here and give to somebody else who

1077
00:44:39,390 --> 00:44:37,089
we are why are you out there and explore

1078
00:44:41,819 --> 00:44:39,400
I would love to hear about what they see

1079
00:44:44,039 --> 00:44:41,829
but I'm personally quite happy to stay

1080
00:44:45,660 --> 00:44:44,049
behind and let the folks who enjoy the

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exploration and go do that

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Issac thank you for this conversation

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tonight and let everybody know where

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they can come and find you well thank

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you for having me on Jimmy if you enjoy

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the material more about the fully

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paradox or colonizing galaxy just check

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out YouTube Issac our Thor or Isaac or

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Thor dotnet and how often do you put out

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new material well we put out a weekly

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episode every Thursday morning and we do

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occasional some live streams of bonus

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material too but every Thursday morning

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new episode and really quick you have a

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team that is behind you it's not just

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all about Isaac Arthur who'd you like to

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recognize with your team I think for

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tonight we all recognize soggy Oh potato

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is one of our artists working on some

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the episode material for cloud city's

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episode next next week and I think folks

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love that we have so many wonderful

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people though that have been helping out

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on the channel that have just made it so

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much better yeah yeah that's the thing

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you can you can do one of two things

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with your stuff over on the channel you

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can just sit and listen in the dark or

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visually and just go through the videos

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the amount of work and production that

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goes into each one is a true labor of

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love and it's great to watch so thank

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you for all that you do Isaac it's just

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an amazing body of work now thank you

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for so much for having me on Jimmy and

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we'll talk soon Thank You Isaac

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Oh Isaac say good night good night good

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night I thought I lost you again at the

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end of the show all right Isaac Arthur

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everybody I'm gonna run credits and get

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out of here thank you so much Isaac it

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is Isaac Arthur dotnet and his youtube

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channel and everything else is right

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there also Facebook Arthur I sort of

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Isaac out there hangs out on Facebook

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you can do whatever you need to do

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alright I'll see everybody tomorrow

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night right here for Fator night open

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lines all night long we also have Serena

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by Taylor and Douglas Taylor to warm up

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the show tomorrow night they de box

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or use anywhere in the known universe

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arrows to meet church

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follow me on twitter @ JT radio until

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tomorrow night